Lynne Torgerson believes Islam isn't a religion

Posted by J.D. On Tuesday, December 15, 2009 0 comments
In 2006, Keith Ellison won the open seat for Minnesota's 5th congressional district. In doing so, Ellison become the first African American elected to the House from Minnesota.

He is also the first Muslim elected to Congress.

After his election, Glenn Beck had him on his show and stated the following:

BECK: OK. No offense, and I know Muslims. I like Muslims. I`ve been to mosques. I really don`t believe that Islam is a religion of evil. I -- you know, I think it`s being hijacked, quite frankly.

With that being said, you are a Democrat. You are saying, "Let`s cut and run." And I have to tell you, I have been nervous about this interview with you, because what I feel like saying is, "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies."

And I know you`re not. I`m not accusing you of being an enemy, but that`s the way I feel, and I think a lot of Americans will feel that way.


I would hope that most people would see this baiting for the idiocy that it is. But Beck isn't alone in feeling that Muslims are the enemy.

In Minnesota, an independent candidate has thrown her hat into the ring to unseat Ellison. Her name is Lynne Torgerson.

Torgerson has a campaign website with a long list of issues. One of those issues is "Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion". Here is what she has to say:

What is freedom of religion? When one thinks about it, religion is primarily one's freedom to choose which god or gods to worship. Correct? Religion is really not primarily behavior. Rather, it is faith. And of course, certain behaviors attend certain religions. However, I think we can all agree that religion does not include criminal behavior. Correct? And also, it should therefore follow that the advocacy of criminal behavior is not religion. Correct?

And thus, we come to the teachings of Islam, or the Quran. The Quran actually teaches Muslims to kill people not of their faith, which are labeled infidels, which includes Christians and Jews, as well as people of other faiths. ("Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura 9:5)). This is advocating criminal behavior. Thus, at a minimum, this portion of the religion of Islam cannot be protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It portion is not "religion" recognizable under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

The Quran also says that if a person leaves Islam, that that is an offence mandating death. Recently, a Harvard Muslim Chaplain, Taha Abdul-Basser, stated that apostates (those who leave Islam) should be killed, although he stated that they could only be killed by a legitimate Muslim governmental authority and cannot be performed by a non-state, private actors. Again, this is advocating criminal behavior. Again, this is not allowing all people the right to freedom of religion. Thus, the Quran conflicts with the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and our criminal laws. Thus, the total "religion" of Islam is not fully protectable by our First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Further, evidently, the goal of Islam is to Islamize the entire world, or, global Islam. I believe there is a term, "umrah" that reflects this goal. Well, this goal also conflicts with our First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

Islam also oppresses women. That conflicts with the equal protection of the laws guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

And, what do I know of Islam? Well, I know of 911. Nineteen (19) men from Saudi Arabia, all Muslim, hi-jacked planes, and flew into the two (2) World Trade Towers murdering thousands of people, and tried to fly into our Pentagon, and some believe they also tried to fly an airplane into our White House. From this, what I perceive is Islam conducting an act of war against my country.

People say that we can't include the moderate, peace loving Muslims. Well, I agree. But, who are they? They need to stand up and identify themselves loudly and clearly say that they oppose Jihad and terrorism, etc. Who are these people? I cannot tell. It is not for me to go and try and find them. Rather, it is their duty to stand up and identify themselves, if there are any.


Torgerson believes in freedom of religion...she just doesn't count Islam as a religion and therefore Muslims shouldn't have freedom. Convenient, no?

Here lack of theological knowledge is stunning. She seriously writes: "And, what do I know of Islam? Well, I know of 911." And that is supposed to be a valid argument.

How about this? What do I know of Christianity? Well, I know of witch burnings, pograms, and crusades.

Recently, Joe Jervis pointed out how many Christians in positions of authority have committed, admitted to, or been convicted of crimes in the last week.

Should that been seen as indicative of Christianity as a whole?

Let's look at some of her other observations:

...The Quran actually teaches Muslims to kill people not of their faith...


So does the Bible. Luke 19:27, Deuteronomy 20, etc.

...The Quran also says that if a person leaves Islam, that that is an offence mandating death...


Deuteronomy 21:18 instructs parents to have their children stoned to death if they are rebellious and disobedient.

...Islam also oppresses women...


Ambrose, the bishop of Milan from 374 to 397 A.D. stated that "though the man was created outside Paradise, an inferior place, he is found to be superior, while woman, though created in a better place, inside Paradise, is found inferior."

Augustine also said of women: "I cannot think of any reason for woman's being made as man's helper, if we dismiss the reason of procreation."

But those are people. Let's look at the Bible.

Ephesians 5:23-32
"For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Colossians 3:18
"Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord."

There are many other passages. Just read the book.

...the goal of Islam is to Islamize the entire world...


Need I remind you of Matthew 28:18-20?

Apparently, many of the criticisms Torgerson has toward Islam are also valid criticisms of Christianity. Of course, every single religion has scriptures that are open to interpretation so you can make them sound evil or enlightening, depending upon your motivation.

I am a Christian so obviously I don't feel that Christianity is evil. I am making a point that anyone can cherry pick and make something look bad. And that is exactly what Torgerson is doing with her criticisms attacks on Islam.

Christianity isn't evil, and neither is Islam.

Torgerson's views on Islam, however, are rather bigoted.

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